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Jul 08, 2005, 05:46 AM // 05:46
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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Mes/Nec, another take on Soul Barbs + energy steal?
Thanks to BlackAce and help from the others, I've recreated a classic soul barbs build. It's not original I'm sure but bear with me please ^_^ I need to know if it's hot...
stats: fast cast: 10+1 domination: 10+2 Curses: 11 Anti-anything build... augmented by some energy stealing. Wastrel's Worry Shame Guilt Backfire Lingering Curse {E} Soul Barbs Shadow of Fear Enfeebling Blood Keys to this build are straight forward with huge emphasis on Soul Barbs. The entire skill set [save one] are Hexes. This build is counting on a caster's ability to notice problems on himself and maybe he/she will try to remove the problem via remove hex/what not. Idea: Enfeebling Blood + Shadow of Fear any warrior mobs who are smart and follow a target call ^_^ Soul Barbs Shame to interrupt the removal of Soul Barbs and gain energy to do... Lingering Curse counts as both a Rend and Super Defile Flesh. deadly... Backfire to force him to stop casting. [since any friendly enchantment will rip him in two as well and healing is chopped] Guilt on an enemy offensive caster: mesmer / smite monk / necro / ele, steal more energy to do... Wastrel's Worry rapid fire... It'd be even deadlier if your team had a blanket hex. Like say, parasitic bond. Now that I look at what it does, it's got to be one of THE synergistic skills of this game with Soul Barbs. Five energy with fast recharge, and when the enemy dies, u gain a chunk of hp. VERY easy to cast on many enemies at once as well ^_^ I know that hex removal SHOULD be problematic because only Purge Signet does an all at once hex removal. Hopefully a friendly axe warrior or what not will interrupt it. Now that there are 2 meager energy stealers in this build... I wonder, with enough foci and energy from a weapon, do u think this build could be pulled off devastatingly? or would it run out of steam after one try? hmm... 
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Jul 08, 2005, 07:58 AM // 07:58
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Academy Page
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Consider working shatter delusions into this.
Drop a necro hex, keep the mezmer hexes. When the baddie is a bit low on health - shatter the hexes, to deal a massive spike and do them in. |
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Jul 08, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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Hex Removal comes in a variety of shapes and sizes for monks, Convert Hexes removes all hexes on a target. Even then, a monk could simply spam a few remove hexes at your target, coupled with a high divine favor, he will heal the dmg from Soul Barbs as well, turning it into an energy match. I would replace Enfeebling Blood with something a bit cheaper, but the weakness is useful. I don't think I would use Shadow of Fear at the same time, though. |
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Jul 08, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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ww has a recharge of 1 second, which means spamming it makes lots of soul barb babies.
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Jul 08, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: May 2005
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Yep, one of my builds is made with this purpose in mind.
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Jul 08, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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Jul 08, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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People have armour to fire..... there is no armour to ww and soul barbs....
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Jul 08, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13
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Banned
Join Date: May 2005
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And it helps counter Hex Breaker, and other forms of hex stopping.
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Jul 09, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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This build has the capability to be spread between two casters. An offensive, and defensive caster.
Unless the teammate is very very quick, he won't be able to remove Soul Barbs in time. That and the enemy team must anticipate a HEAVY hex build. WW + Backfire. You do nothing and you get hurt [that and soulbarbs] You cast something for MAJOR pain... You kinda forgot about that didn't ya? ^_^ |
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Jul 09, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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Jul 09, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: The Twilight Vanguard [TTV]
Profession: R/
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As for BF, You need to cover hex Backfire for it to be anywhere near useful, and honestly there are better hexes to cast and cover. |
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Jul 10, 2005, 01:19 AM // 01:19
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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Alright, instead of speaking like a high and mighty eliteist fool, can you please give the advice on that Godlike hex that's SOOO much better than Wastrel's Worry?
Obviously you're probably set in any pvp matchup to deal with heavy hex casters every single time right? So you bring Convert Hexes in your group each and every single time correct? The enemy gets blanket hexed, it's not impossible. And you're speaking as if I'm the only player on my field. There's more than one hex in my group for pvp and if I'm the only hexer, something's deadly wrong. We blast the enemy to hell with nothing but hex after hex. Life Siphon, etc... Outside of things like Convert Hexes and other very rare remove all hexes skills, what are you going to do to defend against that? You're seriously telling me your teammate is ALWAYS going to bring a skill to remove Soul Barbs, Shame, Lingering Curse {E}, Backfire, and Wastrel's Worry? I'm all fine for criticism but your comments sound more like immature insults than something that's helpful... Go on then, what should Wastrel's Worry be replaced with? What other skills forces the enemy to take dmg doing nothing or doing something? And don't say you're teammate is going to save you because I can just say my teammate can kill your teammate... We'll be back to square one. |
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Jul 10, 2005, 01:49 AM // 01:49
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: The Twilight Vanguard [TTV]
Profession: R/
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And you're calling me high and mighty? Check your own tone. Quote:
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Jul 10, 2005, 02:00 AM // 02:00
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First rule to becoming good at Guild Wars: Learn what skills actually do.
In this case, Wastrel's Worry once again pops up. Unsurprisingly it's in the race for Worst Skill in the Game along with Ice Spear, Searing Heat, Mind Wrack and a few other pitiful ones. |
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Jul 10, 2005, 03:05 AM // 03:05
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
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Look here dude - YOU posted a thread about YOUR build and asked for OUR input, then you get bent out of shape when people offer their .02 on it. We're not "elitists" or any other such nonsense - we've just spent some time playing PvP, and felt we would offer some advice. My suggestion doesn't make sense to you? Don't follow it. Do THIS instead: Take your build into Team Arenas / Tombs and see how far you get. I grant you a LOT of teams (especially PUG's) are NOT going to be prepared to stop mass hexing or know what to do when backfired/WW'd, but that isn't the point, is it? The issue here is that several people here feel that WW is useless to your build for PvP, by which we mean the organized teams that actually think about who's going to do what, and how they will deal with things like BF and other hexes... You seem to disagree. If you're offended by our opinions, by all means - go ahead and take your build into a PvP match and see how it fares. When I play a protection E/Mo, I usually DO take Convert Hexes into the Tombs with me, as a matter of fact, smartguy. As for WW, I would take Diversion instead, but that's just me. As for how I would counter it, I would simply work around or through your hexes. Hexes are NOT meant to kill. They are meant to make killing a target easier or to disrupt the enemy. You will need help from your team, like any other build. I have had my entire top screen FILLED with hexes, and killed the offending necro in PvP. Did the hexes hurt? Sure. Did they make me work my character differently? Of course. Was the strategy effective on me? You bet. Anything in the game can be worked through, so please get off the box, and stop telling us that your build is un-counterable. Saying or implying such is just illustrates an ignorance about this game. |
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Jul 10, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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omg... I just asked for what would be the better hex and nobody's telling me anything...
Ah well... 
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Jul 10, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: WOR
Profession: Mo/
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If your victim tries to remove their own hexes, they're stuck without hex removal for ~ 1 minute. Very bad against hex spam. |
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Jul 10, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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Time to take my 2nd swing at this... Hope this helps some people who are searching for knowledge cause it seems others would just rather let them fend for themselves... After some fending...
10+2 Domination 10+1 Fast Casting 11 Curses Diversion Shame Guilt Backfire Lingering Curse {E} Enfeebling Blood Shadow of Fear Soul Barbs And, for my own purposes as well as for helping others, here's a different take on a shutout Mesmer, non hex based... Power Leak Power Spike Power Block {E} Arcane Echo Enfeebling Blood Shadow of Fear Desecrate Enchantments Rend Enchantments Damn, wish I could find a way to manage energy without going to Inspiration or using a Hex. Less Hexy build with more interrupts and counters. I'd like insight on this one as well... Aside from shutting out an interruptor *Diversion/mana kill/etc.* and using things like Spell Breaker {E}, how else does one counter an interruptor? [besides killing him... that's everyone's counter...] Due to most Enchantments having a fast recycle time, and reading that the game's enchantment removal capabilities aren't that efficient, in case Rend couldn't stop said enchantments, which happens, Desecrate has been added. That and almost every other Curse is a Hex. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Time and time again, I've read on people who only counter suggested builds and don't offer advice on what that awesome skill is to make the build complete. Thanks for those last posts on Diversion, however, get this straight... One, I know how to counter every build imaginable. All I got to do is do a search and read posts and skill listings. It's fine to mention a counter too but to say nothing is very elitist and what's more, it's not exactly good form to say a skill build sucks when someone is offering it... Which is pretty much what a chunk of you said. Mentioning that I think my skill list is uncounterable is NOT what I said. You obviously misinterpreted me. Anything is counterable and I know this. So there's no point telling me what to counter it with because I know this and anyone else who plays the game knows this already. I'm not on no stinking soap box... Thanks for the help... for what it's worth. And I will admit that I did forget what the Mesmer is for, thank you very much... Just for that moment, I thought damage was important...  People kept telling me this over and over and over for all my other posts. For the one class that was never meant to do damage, I suppose I did make a grave mistake and for that I'm sorry... 
Last edited by Yukito Kunisaki; Jul 10, 2005 at 03:17 PM // 15:17.. Reason: 2 builds |
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Jul 10, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: May 2005
Guild: WOR
Profession: Mo/
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Can I also recommend Malaise, probably instead of Enfeebling Blood.
You probably won't spend much time worrying about warriors in PvP, but if you do, then reducing their energy regen to zero is not a bad thing. Halving a caster's recharge is not to be dismissed easily either. And really, -2 health regen is nothing with a good monk around. |
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Jul 10, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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